Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5051 posts, RR: 23 Posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2068 times:
..early this morning in a car-accident close to his hometown of Klagenfurt.
Haiger was the chairman of the right-wing BZÖ-party,who gained an astounding 18% of the national votes in last months national elections and would have been a coalition partner not to be underestimated.His former party,also rightwing FPÖ scored 10%..
He was designed to play an important role in Austria's political life,regardless of his right-wing program.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 9597 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2056 times:
I'd say that this will upset the Austrian ultra rightwings similarly as the death (by AIDS) of the neo-Nazi Michael Kühnen in 1991 in Germany.
With Kühnen's death, the German ultra-rightwing movement lost a charismatic leader (even though he was critizised by some other Neo-Nazis due to his open homosexuality), who could bring the various, infighting factions of the ultra-rightwing movement together.
Since then the German neo-Nazi scene has been widely fragmented, with the leaders of different groups actively fighting each other.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5051 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
Quoting Hkg82 (Reply 3): Well, he won't be missed by the vast majority of Austrians, that's for sure!
Obtaining nearly 20% of all national votes is not a miniscule silent minority,but a quite respectable portion of voting Austrians.There have always been more ultra-right-wing Austrians than Germans.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 9597 posts, RR: 62 Reply 5, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4): Quoting Hkg82 (Reply 3):
Well, he won't be missed by the vast majority of Austrians, that's for sure!
Obtaining nearly 20% of all national votes is not a miniscule silent minority,but a quite respectable portion of voting Austrians.There have always been more ultra-right-wing Austrians than Germans.
Sure, but without him, it is very likely that the rightwing scene will fragment into various groups of irrelevant size, like in Germany. Just wait, the infighting for his succession will start shortly and there will be lots of wannabe Haiders without followers.
Oldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 1152 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4): I'd say that this will upset the Austrian ultra rightwings similarly as the death (by AIDS) of the neo-Nazi Michael Kühnen in 1991 in Germany.
With Kühnen's death, the German ultra-rightwing movement lost a charismatic leader (even though he was critizised by some other Neo-Nazis due to his open homosexuality), who could bring the various, infighting factions of the ultra-rightwing movement together.
Since then the German neo-Nazi scene has been widely fragmented, with the leaders of different groups actively fighting each other.
I see similar things going to happen in Austria.
Yep, this was the first thing what popped in my head, when I read about his dead.
I won't miss that idiot.
Axel
[Edited 2008-10-11 02:08:39]
1. Et ees wie et ees! 2. Et kütt wie et kütt! 3. Un et hätt noch emmer joot jejange!
Macc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 784 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1976 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter): Haiger was the chairman of the right-wing BZÖ-party,who gained an astounding 18% of the national votes in last months national elections and would have been a coalition partner not to be underestimated.His former party,also rightwing FPÖ scored 10%..
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4): Obtaining nearly 20% of all national votes is not a miniscule silent minority,but a quite respectable portion of voting Austrians.There have always been more ultra-right-wing Austrians than Germans.
FPÖ got about 18%, Haiders BZÖ 11%.
Let me make one thing clear: we do not have more ultra right wing people here than in other countries. The problem that the right got that massive support in our last elections is mainly based on our political landscape. with only the green party left as alternative opposition to our 2 loosers SPÖ and ÖVP, dont wonder that people turn to the right.
immigration since the 90ies always plays a big role in the election campaigning. except for the right, no party adressed the feeling within the population in a clever way. with everyone pissed by the big ones, folks vote for the remaining stuff as protest.
its not that austria became more right, we just became more badly governed in the past years.
my thoughts go out for his family, but i guess there will be a couple of partys around tonight.
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LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 11128 posts, RR: 45 Reply 10, posted (2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1810 times:
Good riddance. One less Nazi in this world. And I hope that Jan is right when he says that this will bring infighting and conflict to Neonazi parties and ultrarightwing parties in Austria, just like after Kühnen's death.
Zu fettigem Käse und kalorienreicher Kunstmarmelade, nehme ich einen Doppelkorn.
DocLightning From United States, joined Nov 2005, 3655 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10): Good riddance. One less Nazi in this world.
I don't like to make politics so personal. But when someone forces politics to be so personal that it comes down to the point of actively advocating harm to others, the world will be better without that person.
And so I agree. I'm glad he's dead. Right up there with Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond.
Kiwiandrew From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jun 2005, 4205 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
I find myself having to ask myself some uncomfortable questions about my reaction to this news .
I have to admit that initially I felt a profound sense of relief as I believe that he was a very dangerous man and his views were deeply repugnant to me . Now that my initial reaction has passed I find myself disturbed that I should be pleased at the passing of another human being no matter how deranged and hatefilled he was , in the end does that make me any less of a monster than he was ?
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Rara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 582 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
Not good!
This is bad news.
Haider is more dangerous dead than alive. Politicians of his sort need to actively prove that their agendas are stupid and unrealistic. If they die prematurely, there is always a chance of them becoming martyrs. They can't be held responsible for what they said. Pim Fortuyn comes to mind.
I hope that this really leads to fragmentation of Austrian right-wingers. It'd be bad if they could rally behind late Haider and create a myth of him.
DocLightning From United States, joined Nov 2005, 3655 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1752 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 13): I find myself disturbed that I should be pleased at the passing of another human being no matter how deranged and hatefilled he was , in the end does that make me any less of a monster than he was ?
No. Because you hate him for what he did. He hated me for what I am.
Hating someone for his actions that he committed of his own free will is completely different than hating someone for simply having been born.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5051 posts, RR: 23 Reply 16, posted (2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1734 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10): Good riddance. One less Nazi in this world.
Personally I can't find joy in the death of nobody-be it a right-wing or left-wing politician.
Hundreds of thousands of people have voted for his program- so they must have some concerns that are not being answered for by the ruling SPÖ or ÖVP government.
Personally I did not share any of his views.But he was a legally elected personality who had quite some followers.It could well be that he will be replaced by a person even worse than him-or that his political group dissappears-which would be the best alltogether..
MadameConcorde From Monaco, joined Feb 2007, 2591 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
How can we be one hundred percent certain that the accident that killed Haider was not due to a sabotage? Do we really have to believe the official version?
There was a better way to fly. It was called Concorde.
PSA727 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 858 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17): How can we be one hundred percent certain that the accident that killed Haider was not due to a sabotage? Do we really have to believe the official version?
This is the best avenue his supporters will use to martyr him. And instead of blaming him
and his party for "hate" maybe the 2 strongest parties in Austria should address what they
are doing wrong, and thus sizeable amounts of the Austrian electorate are voting for Haider's
party to begin with.
JCS17 From United States, joined Jun 2001, 7267 posts, RR: 39 Reply 19, posted (2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1672 times:
The way I saw Haider is the same way as I see Le Pen. For the most part, they are just completely ignorant jackasses who would salute Hitler if they had the chance. However, they do have a very valid concern about the creeping (or should I say rushing) Islamization of Europe through unmitigated immigration policies -- and the drastic problems it poses to a free society. So, in a way, I will salute Haider for bringing a crucial problem to the forefront in Austria, but at the same time I will object to his radical thoughts about prior atrocities and current dictators. Rest in peace.
By the way, I wonder if Volkswagen will bring back the Phaeton to serve in their next "safe" commercials in the US... maybe not.
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 6273 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 19): However, they do have a very valid concern about the creeping (or should I say rushing) Islamization of Europe through unmitigated immigration policies -- and the drastic problems it poses to a free society. So, in a way, I will salute Haider for bringing a crucial problem to the forefront in Austria,
4.2 percent of all Austrians are Muslims. A "rushing Islamization" that creates "drastic problems", hmm?
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 19): By the way, I wonder if Volkswagen will bring back the Phaeton to serve in their next "safe" commercials in the US... maybe not.
The crashed 737 I saw on TV recently looked a lot worse, and I do believe 737s are generally safe.
Do you have an idea how fast Haider was going? With what exactly he collided?
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I don't like to make politics so personal. But when someone forces politics to be so personal that it comes down to the point of actively advocating harm to others, the world will be better without that person.
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